Community Commentary Opinion

To vaccinate or not to vaccinate? That is not the question

There are many citizens polarized on the topic of proposed Bill SB277, which would require all children in public and private schools, in the state of California, to be fully immunized according to government mandated schedule. Immunization rates are right where they need to be.  So, why do we need Bill SB277?

There is a great deal of fear regarding Bill SB277, as it removes the right of informed medical consent from parents of California, and is being quietly slid through the Senate right now on its way to the Assembly.  If parents in the state of California actually knew what was going on with Bill SB277 they would be outraged!

Sen. Richard Pan, the co-author of this bill, has misled the public and our elected officials, telling Senators anything they want to hear to get this bill passed, and making last minute shifts in responsibility from exemption for the State of California to the backs of school districts themselves, who are already strapped, to bypass the Appropriations Committee hearing. To make things worse, Pan and several other Senators tied to Bill SB277 have taken campaign contribution money from the manufactures of these vaccines.  California is the state that Merck needs to win.  What happens in California will spread across the nation. Parents need to know the facts on SB277.

Separate but equal is not equal.  Remember Brown vs. Board of Education? It didn’t work then, it won’t work now.   Fully mandated vaccinated kids drink from the water fountain to the left, selectively vaccinated kids drink from the water from the fountain to the right. Does this sound fair and just?  This bill could force many families out of California public schools, even if they were only to skip or delay a single vaccination!  This bill would force children with legitimate medical reasons or a parent/doctor vaccination schedule other than government mandate, to home school their kids!  This could force families to have to move out of the state of California because they are single parent or dual income families who can’t afford the cost to home school.

California needs to allow Bill AB2109 to do its job, it’s working.  The Personal Belief Exemption rate has dropped by 20 percent since this bill became law just 16 months ago.

Assembly Bill 2109 “requires parents who request immunization exemptions to obtain signed documentation from a health professional that they have been informed of the benefits and risks of immunizations.”  Assembly Bill 2109 is an ethical, responsible, and effective bill that has already solved the problem Senator Pan says SB277 will fix.  So, why do we need bill SB277?

One size does not fit all.  Every child’s body functions differently, this must be taken into consideration. Palo Alto Medical Foundation just reported that 4,300 children might have been given compromised vaccines up to March 2015.  If there is any risk, there must be a choice; or at least an option for parents who believe it is safer to vaccinate their children on a different schedule than that of the government.

Vaccination is not immunization. Vaccines do not cause immunity, they only lessen symptoms.  Vaccines have time periods of efficacy before they need to be given again or multiple times, as the CDC is now stating with the current MMR.

The Disneyland Measles incident exacerbated by the media, barely discussed that over half of the people who contracted the measles were immunized. Pan admitted to the Senate “they did not know who the actual culprit was and that they did not know if the culprit was an American citizen.” It’s apparent that foreign travelers brought measles into Disneyland, with over 55,000 visitors on any given day, what does that have to do with healthy children in the public school system of California?

Under Bill SB277, parents of children who have been injured by vaccines will be required to vaccinate their other children of that same genetic family; which would be like playing Russian roulette. Parents need to make informed medical procedure decisions for their children, not Senators!  Parents need to know that there are currently laws in place to protect pharmaceutical companies from liability if their child is or was to become vaccine injured.  Who is liable for vaccine related injuries that will take place?  Are the school districts liable?  Is a person that forces a child to get a vaccine liable? The companies that design these drugs, like Merck, must be held liable and responsible for the transparency of ingredients and consequences of side affects or possible death.

To vaccinate or not to vaccinate? That is not the question.  Bill SB277 does not protect our children or improve public safety.  Bill SB277 ignores religious, moral, and ethical objections of California parents. Bill SB277 is a Pandora’s box of lawsuits against California School Districts.

Our tax dollars currently used to educate children will be swallowed to cover settlements for vaccine related injuries.  So, tell me why we need this bill again?

Stefanie Dumont is an Encinitas resident and executive coach with Dynamic Progress Coaching and parent of two.

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41 comments

ndavis May 15, 2015 at 6:42 pm

“over half of the people who contracted the measles were immunized”

Given the clear scientific evidence regarding MMR vaccination uptake and efficacy, you might ask what would happen if, say, 96% of people receive a vaccine that provides protective immunity to, say, 96% of those vaccinated, what percentage of those infected would you expect to have been immunized? Anyone who cannot understand that the answer would be about half, then you should ask a fourth-grader for help. OTOH, the risk of measles infection (and measles-induced immunosuppression, which by destroying the cells responsible for recognizing and destroying known pathogens exacerbates the risk of further infections and the complications from those infections) is obviously very much greater among the unvaccinated than among the vaccinated. But you knew that.

manatosj May 15, 2015 at 8:57 pm

ndavis, What is your point? No one has died from Measles in the United States. These damn Senators want to waste our tax dollars on this stupid bill. Have them vaccinate the illegal immigrants that come into this country as well all the other immigrants from other countries. There is no epidemic here, just a lot of hysteria from the media. Less than 140 cases of measles in a State that has almost 39 million people!!! This is a joke.

Amy Corazón May 15, 2015 at 11:11 pm

Actually I heard that Mexico has very high vaccination rates — so is your comment just purely racist or xenophobic or what? The problem is pockets of undervaccinated people currently residing in California, this has been studied by the Journal of the American Medical Association. But, of course, you knew that. You just want to pin the blame on those nasty “foreigners” rather than our own California communities with school vaccination rates lower than South Sudan due to overuse of Personal Belief Exemptions…

bob moffitt May 17, 2015 at 6:29 am

As I understand it .. the thousands of children walking into our country are not Mexican .. they are mostly from other .. less developed and therefore less vaccinated South American countries .. such as .. to name just one of others .. Honduras.

Mom of 2 vaccine injured May 18, 2015 at 8:13 am

It appears Mexico is way more responsible in regard to addressing vaccine injury. We wish America would do what they have done in response to vaccine injury in this situation. This happens every day in America yet doctors ignore it and the media won’t report it.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/2-babies-die-29-sickened-from-bad-vaccines-in-south-mexico/ar-BBjzSMG

AmyB May 15, 2015 at 10:46 pm

You are absolutely right.

AmyB May 15, 2015 at 10:47 pm

ndavis, I mean. 🙂

Tannim May 17, 2015 at 5:39 am

You obviously don’t know how the immune system actually works, nor can you properly explain the Th1 and Th2 immune responses in relation to both cellular and humoral immunity.

Tinamrdh May 15, 2015 at 10:02 pm

Thank you for bringing some sense to this madness!! SB277 isn’t really about health it is about governmental control…control over our children. Vaccination rates in CA are very high (over 95%) and have been consistently high over the last three decades. There is NO epidemic on CA. There is no reason to remove parental rights in this state. I cannot believe how quick parents are willing to give control of their children over to the state. If this passes what will be mandated next? Our legislators take huge contributions from pharmaceutical companies so it’s no surprise that we are in this predicament today. Our rights are alowly being chipped away little by little. I can’t believe that we are here today having this discussion in the USA, after so many have sacrificed so much for the freedoms we take for granite. I pray for an awakening. I pray that parents will get off their iPads and see what is happening to our civil liberties in this state. 12 yr old children can consent to HPV vaccines without a parents consent. We are so lost…

Lyn May 15, 2015 at 10:12 pm

Great article. Thanks for voicing the truth behind this bill and the ramifications it will have

SoWrong May 15, 2015 at 10:42 pm

I’m shocked this wasn’t fact-checked. It’s so full of lies it’s depressing. Vaccine injuries are less than 1 in 1 million, and thousands of CA kids who legitimately can’t be vaccinated have medical exemptions.

We need this bill because the selfishness of antivaxxers has meant that our immunization rates keep declining, year after year. AB2109 made only the tiniest dent in the die-hard wealthy privileged private schools and communities. It really only caught the “lazy” parents using a PBE because it was easier to do that than to make an appointment.

Quit freeloading on herd immunity, antivax parents.

Visit vaccinatecalifornia.org/contact_your_reps to support.

Ignorance and loss of constitutional rights May 16, 2015 at 7:25 am

First, it’s not so easy to get a medical exemption. Second, what part of this article was full of lies? Third, this is about our rights as citizens. The government and CDC have proven repeatedly that our interests are not their main concern, it’s all about profit over people. And force.

Most people vaccinate, however if this bill passes, those that choose to carefully vaccinate (as in spacing out vaccines for safety reasons-since no study had been done as to effects of multiple vaccines at once) will LOSE that as an option if they want to keep their children in public schools. Public schools that are paid for by OUR tax dollars, therefore WE should be able to chooses when and how our children are vaccinated.

Amy Corazón May 16, 2015 at 9:56 am

Please do tell us about the “government and CDC” conspiracies!! Is the American Academy of Pediatrics and the March of Dimes in on it too? What about the World Health Organization and Unicef? How far and high does this conspiracy go?

manatosj May 16, 2015 at 10:40 am

Go ahead and cover your ears and close your eyes and pretend that this isn’t going on. Only a sheep would say a comment like that. You do not live in the land of the free, because our freedom is slowly being stripped away and majority of the sheep aren’t paying attention. It’s a combination of conspiracy and ignorance. The blind leading the blind. Wake up and start doing some critical thinking of your own instead of just regurgitating everything you have been told and taught.

Ignorance and loss of constitutional rights May 16, 2015 at 2:02 pm

LOL the American Academy of Pediatrics? Go research HOW MUCH money they receive from the pharmaceutical companies. I’m actually laughing at the absurdity in all your comments. Plus the CDC, um, they are a corporation that has covered up their own research proving certain vaccines are harmful and yes can trigger Autism.

Google CDC Whistleblower and start learning more before referencing. I’m embarrassed for you Amy C

Tannim May 17, 2015 at 5:41 am

Go astrotroll elsewhere. Like many others who shill the pro-poison garbage, you don’t know how the immune system actually works, and you have a codependency upon government that is a mental illness.

Tannim May 17, 2015 at 5:54 am

That’s for Amy Astrotroll, BTW.

SDmom May 17, 2015 at 11:01 pm

So Wrong,
I’m sorry, but the only thing that wasn’t fact checked was your own response! Reactions are not one in a million, I’ve met a ton of people right here in San Diego whose kids have experienced reactions. My son is one of them. He nearly died after receiving three vaccinations when he was a baby, and was hospitalized for several days.

He was always on a personal belief exemption, like most children who had adverse reactions, because it is difficult to get a medical exemption. We finally started the process because of all the hysteria that resulted in this bill being introduced, and now he has a partial medical exemption, but that is not good enough. I should not have to play Russian roulette, as the author called it, and give him other vaccinations that may or may not cause more injury.

It is amazing how taboo this subject is, and how people let their fear and hysteria take over common sense. Anybody who dares to criticize our current vaccine program in any way, is instantly vilified, and people try to find any way to discredit that person. An intelligent person SHOULD question things and not just take them at face value without having done his/her own research. We should be able to have a discussion about this issue. The medical industry is not always right. Remember how cigarrettes didn’t cause cancer? Wake up people!

truthseeker May 17, 2015 at 11:56 pm

thank you SDmom.

I’m sorry for what happened to your son.

Thank you for your truth.

Kathryn Cleveland May 18, 2015 at 7:54 am

SDMOM Thank you for speaking up. I am so tired of these people spewing their propaganda for the pharmaceutical companies and the corrupt politicians. Anyone who thinks they have a right to force medical treatment on another person is either very very stupid or bought and paid for.

Pg2 May 19, 2015 at 6:33 am

Your post is so full of pharmaceutical AstroTurf speak it’s almost funny, except that it’s not because CA residents are on the brink of losing their rights to make informed medical consent for themselves and their families.

AmyB May 15, 2015 at 10:46 pm

Did you actually use a comparison to segregation in this editorial? What on earth?! That is horribly, horribly offensive and absolutely wrong.

Editor…?

Tannim May 17, 2015 at 6:02 am

No, it isn’t, because that’s the end-result, and like race segregation, it’s separation based on fear and ignorance enforced by government, instead of equality and respect for others’ personal choices. Those who support required vaccinations oppose medical freedom and self-ownership, while supporting medical slavery and state ownership, meaning they are anti-freedom in the same manner as the slaveowners of the past. The only difference is now it’s state ownership of others, and back then it was private ownership of others–both equally wrong.

SDmom May 17, 2015 at 11:15 pm

No, it isn’t. It is just reality, AmyB. If you were the one being marginalized you would understand. I had a conversation with an African American guy about this just yesterday, explaining everything that had happened to my child and how I have only been able to get a partial medical exemption, but I don’t want to have to take a risk of more neurological damage to my child. I told him I would have to homeschool if this passed, and that I am the main wage earner in my family so it would be a financial hardship. And he didn’t care.

He told me to my face, “You are in the minority!” The majority vaccinates their kids, and we don’t want unvaccinated kids around our kids. He made other statements that basically since we are in the minority, we don’t matter. Ironic, isn’t it?

And that is absolutely the attitude here. And another thing, where will it stop? This is just the beginning. Do you think the people who are trying to pass this bill will stop here if they are successful? Because our kids will still be with your kids at the park, at the museums, at the kid friendly events around town, at the public library, in your child’s extracurricular activities and classes. So will that be next? Take a good, hard look in the mirror and then tell me the comparison isn’t accurate.

Amy Corazón May 15, 2015 at 11:01 pm

My head hurts after reading this ridiculous article. The author managed to pack in a lot of misinformation and standard antivaxxer propaganda. It’s like she was going through a denialist’s checklist of points to make. I hope that people reading this will be sensible enough to see through all of this dangerous stupidity. Children need to be safe and healthy at school. Vaccines are both safe and effective. Vaccines save millions of lives. The author would not be able to choose whether or not to vaccinate at all if it weren’t for the rest of us who are vaccinating and keeping her children inside the protective cocoon of herd immunity. We are guaranteeing her children’s safety and health right now because we, the majority, do vaccinate our children. Unfortunately, there are just too many people in CA who agree with the author of this article. They are eroding our herd immunity with their dangerous foolishness, which is why we are seeing outbreaks of measles and other serious diseases. We must Pass SB 277 to protect our children and our communities.

Ignorance and loss of constitutional rights May 16, 2015 at 7:31 am

Actually, you are very incorrect Amy. And for you to keep posting in support of vaccination and still using the ridiculous term Anti Vaxxer shows your character.

THIS IS ABOUT PARENTAL CHOICE AND OUR CONSTITUTIONAL LEGAL RIGHTS.
Period. End of story.

Many thousands of people are vaccine injured EVERY year. That’s a FACT. and guess what? Once it happens, it’s too late to get a medical exemption.

Vaccination rates are in the upper 90 percentile in California. It makes NO sense to FORCE vaccination down anyone’s throat.

Remember this when they come after the adults next.

Amy Corazón May 16, 2015 at 9:51 am

I just call it like I see it. This whole “I am pro-vaccine but [insert antivax propaganda here]” is not convincing me at all. If you post antivax pseudoscience in a public forum, then expect to be called out on it. BTW, the spacing out of shots is also pseudoscientific, there is no reason for it plus it leaves children unprotected for longer: “The idea of vaccine delay is in some ways even more pseudoscientific than the choice not to vaccinate. People imagine that by spacing out the vaccines, they are giving them in a much gentler, safer way. But nothing shows that this is better for your child. All it does is weaken the herd.” ~Dr. Dr. Nina L. Shapiro, Director of pediatric otolaryngology and professor at the David Geffen School of Medicine at UCLA Read her whole interview here: http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/the-truth-about-vaccines

Ignorance and loss of constitutional rights May 16, 2015 at 2:05 pm

Your calling it like you see it? Research then comment. Regurgitating vaccine propaganda makes you look like sheep following the LIES of Senator Pan.

Wake up before the next adverse reaction is someone close to you.

Tannim May 17, 2015 at 5:43 am

If you call it like you see it, then a visit to your proctoloptomerist is in order…

Tannim May 17, 2015 at 5:56 am

Argument to authority is a false argument. You don’t even know how the immune system actually works.

SDmom May 17, 2015 at 11:25 pm

Amy, I am sure my child is alive today because I only gave him three vaccines (well, really five, since one was the Dtap) instead of the eight or so the doctor wanted to give him to catch him up! (He had missed the 2 and 4 month vaccinations due to several illnesses) As it was, he nearly died, but I just don’t see how he would have ever made it if I had follow the doctor’s advice. And of course, she told me it was perfectly safe to vaccinate him despite a dry cough. Thank God I had the right, as his parent, to say I wasn’t comfortable with that and to selectively vaccinate. I grieve for the parents of the future who may very well be stripped of that right, as that is the direction we seem to be going.

Here is a challenge to you: Why don’t you start following the infant schedule, and every two months give yourself all the vaccines recommended, and track your health on a daily basis. You might just change your mind about how getting all those vaccines at one time is a great idea. And then remind yourself that you are an adult, and ask yourself how a very tiny baby’s body can handle all those vaccines at once?

April Showers June 20, 2015 at 8:46 pm

“Children need to be safe and healthy at school.”

Not exactly. Children need to be educated at school. That is what schools are paid to do. They do not do blood testing, x-rays, physical exams or collect family medical histories. If they wanted to improve child health, they could start by serving real food instead of food-like products, but they don’t. Or they could address the lice epidemic in elementary schools that has been going on for the last 20 years, but no. Or they could address the increasing problem of MRSA in middle and high school gymnasiums, what’s that sound? Right, crickets!

Notice how neither staff, nor teachers, nor administration will be required to pharma up under SB277? Why is that? Again, crickets.

SB277 is a ridiculous joke and anybody with children in a CA public school knows that you do not send your child into a protective bubble at your local school. On the contrary, they will be exposed to a wide variety of microbes and whatever doesn’t kill them, makes them stronger!

Amy Corazón May 16, 2015 at 9:53 am

Where do you find a “constitutional right” to endanger your own children and other people’s children through your own bad decisions as a parent? Please post relevant cases. Claiming a “constitutional right” doesn’t mean that it actually exists.

Concerned Mother May 16, 2015 at 10:31 am

The constitution protects against religion and belief discrimination. This bill would be violating both of those values.

If you think being a ‘bad parent’ is someone who stays up at night reading all of the information they can get their hands on.. well then you may need to slow down and reassess own beliefs, Amy.

Tannim May 17, 2015 at 5:51 am

It is not “bad parenting” to refuse to inject toxic substances into our children–toxic substances that can permanently harm, disable, or even kill.

In fact, it’s the opposite, blindly injecting that crap, that is bad parenting, simply because of the blind ignorance.

Herd immunity does exist–the herd gets immune to facts and reason, right over the cliff.

Ignorance and loss of constitutional rights May 16, 2015 at 1:56 pm

Amy, you are so misguided and full of propaganda BS. Non vaccinated children are not a danger to anyone. They don’t carry these viruses, unlike the newly vaccinated. And what’s really disgusting is that an infectious/contagious child with Hep B can attend public school, but not a healthy child who does not have the Hep B vaccine.

Bad parenting by not vaccinating? I think it’s bad parenting for sheep to blindly vaccinate without the proper research as to adverse reactions and death. And there are thousands of stories.

The good news in all of these debates is that it has awakened MORE PEOPLE than ever to PROTECT their constitutional rights, and research greedy pharmaceutical companies and their TOXIC vaccines.

Amy this comment area is not the place for your vaccine debate or your demand for articles to prove any points. The points have been made. SB277 violates not only our constitutional rights but the Nuremberg code as well.

Tannim May 17, 2015 at 5:45 am

You do not have a right to be protected from risk, and my right to raise my children, which is a fundamental right under settled law, is no subject to infringement to assuage your irrational and ignorant fears.

Concerned Mother May 16, 2015 at 10:26 am

Measles is not a danger to the people of any Western country with medical care and proper nutrition. There are more adverse reactions possible from the vaccine than from the actual disease itself. Most studies you think are legitimate are actually funded by the people who make the vaccines. Your children are at higher risk of contracting Measles from a vaccinated child than a non-vaccinated child. Do your research. I guarantee you that any parent who chooses not to vaccinate has done theirs.

Ignorance and loss of constitutional rights May 16, 2015 at 2:05 pm

Exactly concerned mother…

Ignorance and loss of constitutional rights May 16, 2015 at 2:22 pm

Amy there are far too many studies to post here FYI. Your asking for them just shows your intentions here.

There are ZERO studies as to the safety and overload of multiple vaccines given at the same time.

Other countries are banning vaccines like Gardasil due to deaths and horrible vaccine reactions. Over 6 billion dollars was paid out by Merck for their medicine Vioxx which killed over 38,000 people
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5470430

And you expect parents of newborns and small children to trust these vaccine makers…..

Ignorance and loss of constitutional rights May 16, 2015 at 2:41 pm

An excellent article for anyone wanting to learn more about vaccination. From a fact finder and there are PLENTY of links to back up his article.

EVERYTHING YOU WANTED TO KNOW ABOUT VACCINES, BUT THE MEDIA WOULDN’T TELL YOU.

http://theabundancepoint.org/everything/

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